Jed
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Post by Jed on Jan 8, 2010 9:42:08 GMT -5
What is all the hype about Global Warming actually about?
Essentially there is a group of people that claim we are in great danger from the heating up of the earth through certain things WE DO that raise greenhouse gases.
Through effective use of flawed science, public school system propaganda, and state controlled media, many people have accepted what they claim as fact and, perhaps because of no fault of their own, have been indoctrinated into this belief system.
Do not misunderstand, we should all be aware that if we are not good stewards of the earth and we do things like pollute our waters or remove too many trees in one area, it will certainly have an adverse effect on the environment. What these people claim, however, is quite different than those particular examples.
If you so choose, the following ten points can be used to start a respectful discussion on this important topic of our times.
Ten facts about Global Warming claims:
1) There is “no real scientific proof” that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from man’s activity.
2) Man-made carbon dioxide emissions throughout human history constitute less than 0.00022 percent of the total naturally emitted from the mantle of the earth during geological history.
3) Warmer periods of the Earth’s history came around 800 years before rises in CO2 levels.
4) After World War II, there was a huge surge in recorded CO2 emissions but global temperatures fell for four decades after 1940.
5) Throughout the Earth’s history, temperatures have often been warmer than now and CO2 levels have often been higher – more than ten times as high. 6) Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time.
7) The 0.7C increase in the average global temperature over the last hundred years is entirely consistent with well-established, long-term, natural climate trend
9) Leaked e-mails from British climate scientists – in a scandal known as “Climate-gate” – suggest that that has been manipulated to exaggerate global warming
10) A large body of scientific research suggests that the sun is responsible for the greater share of climate change during the past hundred years.
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Obi
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Post by Obi on Jan 8, 2010 18:55:53 GMT -5
No, just because earth is not cold everywhere is not proof that the global warming does not exist. You must read the Al Gores book - Earth in Balance.
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Post by Daniel on Jan 8, 2010 18:57:59 GMT -5
No, just because earth is not cold everywhere is not proof that the global warming does not exist. You must read the Al Gores book - Earth in Balance. Sorry but Global warming is just nonesense and depending on what source you read from it is proven just nonesense! All forces of nature must decline sometime why not now?
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Post by Josh on Jan 8, 2010 22:28:39 GMT -5
I'm actually reading Al Gore's books, not because I believe in global warming, but just out of curiosity and to be informed on their side of the argument. I might have to post some things from there if I get a chance to enhance the discussion.
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Post by lifedrinker on Jan 9, 2010 9:54:04 GMT -5
i for one am definitely concerned about global warming. a lot of people assume (and i'm not referring to people here necessarily, this includes people i know personally) that because it has been popularly described as global warming that the earth will in fact warm up, but this is not necessarily the case. it could be more accurately described as global chaos, with weather patterns altering drastically from anything we've seen certainly in the past 200 years. so although there is plenty of historical precedent for these events happening before - and at a more extreme level - that's kind of not the point, because we're here now, and if it happens to us, then it will mean big lifestyle changes for millions of people. i guess that's the fundamental point really, that life on earth could shift dramatically, if not for us then for our children etc.
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Post by Josh on Jan 9, 2010 15:32:41 GMT -5
The problem I have with global warming is when people say it's man-made. Like you mentioned, lifedrinker, there were times in the past when there were even more extreme environmental patterns, but that was before cars and emissions that technology created. At least in the case of Al Gore, in his book An Inconvenient Truth, he says the premise of climate change is that the "coating" of the atmosphere is being thickened because of CO2 emissions from excess technological use, such as cars and factories. This traps more heat in, which would not result in cooling but just a rise in temperature. That's not to say that you follow Al Gore's theory to the letter, but I just thought I'd point out what I've been reading.
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Jed
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Post by Jed on Jan 10, 2010 12:01:50 GMT -5
i it has been popularly described as global warming that the earth will in fact warm up, but this is not necessarily the case. it could be more accurately described as global chaos, with weather patterns altering drastically from anything we've seen certainly in the past 200 years. I think that this brings up a much deeper aspect of the facts surrounding Global Warming. The whole theory really isn't based on scientific evidence as much as it is based on fear. I have a couple of views on this. For one, I believe that the people propagating this myth are frauds and have been exposed as such. If you haven't heard yet, you will. Much of what we see happening with climate change, in my opinion, is natural and cyclical and has been hyped up as a means of gain by certain individuals. There could also be another factor that isn't talked about much. That is God's role in the changes in the earth. Prophecy mentions that there will be changes in the earth as the time gets closer to the return of the Lord. It doesn't say that when we see these things that we should be fearful though. On the contrary, it mentions we should look at it as a sign that we are one day closer to our redemption. After all, do you think that if everyone would start recycling and stopped burning fossil fuels that these changes that you fear, if they truly are happening, would suddenly go away?
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Post by lifedrinker on Jan 10, 2010 12:05:39 GMT -5
fair enough i must admit i haven't read any of al gore's books or even seen An Inconvenient Truth - did he get a nobel prize for that? or something... - but i recently read a very good book called "Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet" by a guy called Mark Lynas (2008). he looked at a lot of environmental models and it was really very well put together. i believe he is a photographer or journalist by profession but he appears to have really researched the book very well. i'd highly recommend it if you're researching into that area
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Post by lifedrinker on Jan 10, 2010 12:10:30 GMT -5
I think that this brings up a much deeper aspect of the facts surrounding Global Warming. The whole theory really isn't based on scientific evidence as much as it is based on fear. I have a couple of views on this. For one, I believe that the people propagating this myth are frauds and have been exposed as such. If you haven't heard yet, you will. Much of what we see happening with climate change, in my opinion, is natural and cyclical and has been hyped up as a means of gain by certain individuals. ahh but this also brings up another very good point, which is how much profit the oil companies are currently making from oil/gas/energy in general. their profits are absolutely astronomical and as such it could be argued that they have a great deal of money to fund anti-global-warming campaigns... as well as avested interests in people continuing to fuel their cars etc etc. it could be argued that there is a lot more money in oil and gas and our current lifestyle than in a cleaner greener lifestyle and therefore doesn't make much sense for people to spread rumours about global warming for personal gain (mind you i'm just playing devils advocate there ) the ironic thing is that we won't really be able to assess the extent of what impact we've had on the environment cuz (presumably) we'll all be long dead by the time the true effects are in full swing.
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Post by Josh on Jan 10, 2010 13:26:44 GMT -5
fair enough i must admit i haven't read any of al gore's books or even seen An Inconvenient Truth - did he get a nobel prize for that? or something... - but i recently read a very good book called "Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet" by a guy called Mark Lynas (2008). he looked at a lot of environmental models and it was really very well put together. i believe he is a photographer or journalist by profession but he appears to have really researched the book very well. i'd highly recommend it if you're researching into that area Thanks, I'll have to look into that one. And you're right, if there will be any global warming effects of what we do, it will probably happen after we're all gone. Others say otherwise, though. Once again to reference An Inconvenient Truth, in 2000 Al Gore said that global warming is so urgent that within 10 years Mt. Kilimanjaro may not have any snow left on it. It is 2010 and there is still snow on Kilimanjaro (although it is still receding, whether or not this is because of CO2 emissions). I think we should all try to treat our world the best that we can, though. I'm not willing to give up necessities or conveniences, however. If I need to get across the country, I'd rather not ride my bike, you know?
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Post by lifedrinker on Jan 10, 2010 15:48:11 GMT -5
If I need to get across the country, I'd rather not ride my bike, you know? definitely! my dad always says that it's big business that's REALLY got to change rather than individuals. heck cows contribute more harmful gases than us lol.
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Post by Josh on Jan 10, 2010 22:52:30 GMT -5
Good point. If people have the money to choose cleaner sources of energy, that's great.
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Post by Obi on Jan 18, 2010 20:59:15 GMT -5
I think we can catch the gases from the peoples and animals and then burn them for fuel. When I go in barn it smells and if we could catch the stink into big balloons or something it would be a good environment saver to reuse the stink for fuel. Think maybe this might be not very easy though.
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